hi,

the right hand pane lists the tabbles the directories and then the files and there’s no separation between them. I find that confusing as hell. It makes it also look like I nested Tabbles where I didn’t.

I can’t believe you defaulted that pane to the most confusing of all the view options in the explorer. I just today realized there’s really an explorer view which scrolls horizontally, because that’s exactly the view I never use. I use the details (clickable coloums) or large thumbnails.

Cool that I can see the dates. But, in the view as it is right now it’s not making an orderly impression. As the files are "all over the place" the dates are, too. I can’t check which files have been created just yesterday, e.g., at a glance, like in the explorer (detail view, sorted newest first).

1) making Tabbles portable (so that it runs from a USB) – many people asked for this

I can’t even think of any use for this, but I work on only one PC.

2) better web-browser integration (with a bookmarklet)

Huh?!

3) manually excluding some disk – a looooot people asked for this

What for? As of now, Tabbles only auto-tags what I told it to.

4) shared-tabbles (I don’t think I need to add anything here…)

unimportant for me.

It is strange, but each of the above just makes me shrug. Those things are themselves icing on the cake of an otherwise fully grown-up application (which – and that is the conclusion I am coming to right now – Tabbles is not).

What I am talking about is the very basics of your user experience. I can’t handle your new file list. It is a mess. It contains mixed information.
"Hey! Here’s the content of this tabble. Erm, right here at the start of the list there’s also a list of tabbles although they are not really in that tabble, you know? Nevermind. By the way, you have to read that list both from top to bottom and from left to right." And so on. The pagewise separation is also very annoying.
This thing needs cleaning up.

Also, the longer I think about it the more I get the impression you put yourselves in a really bad position: I know that the windows explorer is a monster. There’s incomparable manpower behind most of the Microsoft products and they know their shit.

Now, enter the enthusiastic startup with an exciting idea. Some adapt others don’t. The new UI gets dropped and the startup decides to choose the road taken (unlike Robert Frost, hehe). Decision is made, obviously, so I won’t whine about that spilt milk.
But some things to keep in mind:

– Now, you are competing with a beast. (whereas before you were utterly unique – I hadn’t seen anything like it)
– If you make it look like explorer, make it work like explorer. People will expect it and will consider lacking functionality a mock-up. ("Huh? XY should be here. They don’t have that.")
– when you achieve that goal, you still have a twist in the user experience where the user needs to understand the abstraction concept behind Tabbles.
– This means you have twice the workload. Maintain an explorer-clone and work out a UI concept which affords using Tabbles! The same way a riffled surface on a scroll bar affords dragging. Noone even needs to explain that to me. I happen to just understand how the element wants to be used. That is a tough task. And now, it comes on top of creating a beast of an app.

I liked Tabbles, but maybe you understand… I am worried.

listen folks,

frankly I did not read all of the above discussion as I don’t have the time right now. Just a quick question: where did the special tabbles for filetypes go?

*confused

EDIT: hang on, I just realized they are listed along with the files when I open a tabble.
I do think the window which lists the files need a major overhaul, really (with a separation between files and available tabbles as the very first thing).

Besides, if you want to go Microsoft standardized why do you have the user scroll horizontally?

I would like to add that I do expect nested tags to inherit.

art
|_music
|_painting
….|_oil

when I tag something with "oil" I expect it to be automatically tagged with "painting" and "art" also, but not with music. Evernote has nesting tags without inheriting parent tags and that is just a load of BS, as it does not do anything to sort out your stuff.

upper with tabbles only and lower with files and folders

I think that’s a good idea. The mixture confused the hell out of me the first few times.

We need to find a solution to make everyone happy

Good luck on that journey. It’s as easy as going for the holy grail, you know… 😆

Great to hear that nested tabbles inherit parent tabbles!

Also, you can put a tabble into another tabble, and at the same time on the workspace. So you don’t have to drill down, but you can see it in two places. (hold ctrl and drag to copy a tabble)

I think I will try that. The tabble which contains the copied tabbles would have the same colour group so it shows up among them. Now, I wonder about one thing: considering that the explorer look is the default or new main route and that nesting tabbles is the way to sort stuff there:
will colour groups survive in the long run?

just to make sure there’s no misunderstanding:

I just mentioned evernote and notes as an example of how I use saved searches there. I don’t think notes and to-do lists are needed for tabbles. I got other tools for that.

And besides, right now, tabbles is already very useful for me without saved searches.

cya
Mu

I’d like to add one thing I have been thinking of:

there is one condition under which empty results of tabble combinations could be useful. That is, if you could save tabble combinations.
In Evernote, you can tag notes and combine these tags with search terms (sounds familiar…? 😉 ) and then you can save these searches. For example, I stored a search for notes with unchecked to-do items and the tag "Blogging".

The result list of saved searches always varies and an empty result can be a good result (especially with to-do lists… 😆 )

Saved searches in Tabbles (I haven’t found them, do they exist?) could be really useful. The result list for a tabble with an auto-tag rule does change when a file is added, e.g., but an automatically changing result list of a tabble combination (say, "marketing", "videos" + search term "uncompressed" in the file name) would be great.

Just a thought.