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- in reply to: A little bit crazy request #1976
"Andrea" wrote: yes my friend, it is possible! Just press ctrl to copy a tabble into another tabble… 😀
My mother told me many times ‘read the manual…’ 🙂
Thanksin reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1891"Maurizio" wrote:
I still hope in the future there will be workspace with all open tabbles
Excuse me, what do you mean by open tabbles?
There is one more minor, but important improvement: when you build and show tabbles list (after 1st tabble was selected) it will be much better to sort tabbles by folders 1st and by names 2nd. Right now tabbles from different folders are mixed and it’s not useful.
Would you mind making a detailed example? Because it seems to me it’s already like that. 😯 In the example, please state in what order tabbles are presented now, and in what order you think they should be presented.
Sorry for my poor english :), I’m trying to improve :).
1st: "Open tabbles"
After Select Tools/Tabbles Workspace selection I can see workspace with tabbles folder. When I double click any item I leave workspace view and jump to ‘exlorer’ view.But if I could see all tabbles folder opened in workspace (tabbles placed around tabbles folder) i could be very useful for me. All structure (tabbles in tabbles groups) can remain intact, just show all elements in workspace.
2nd: list elements sorting order
I use ‘explorer’ view
a) double click tabbles folder A in the left panel – I can see tabbles from folder A, list of other tabbles folders, file folders and files
b) double click one tabble from tabbles folder A – I can see some remaining tabbles from folder A (possible combination), remaining tabbles folders and file list
c) double click tabbles folder B (right panel) – I can see tabbles from tabbles group A, tabbles from tabbles group B and other tabbles groups mixed together and sorted by name and after all this mix there is file list.So, I think it will be much better to group tabbles in tabbles list (right panel) by tabbles groups and sort by name only inside groups.
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1888I’ve installed 1.4.6 and my problem with file list is solved. It’s ok now, because there is no ‘animation’.
I still hope in the future there will be workspace with all open tabbles, because I need this view very much.
There is one more minor, but important improvement: when you build and show tabbles list (after 1st tabble was selected) it will be much better to sort tabbles by folders 1st and by names 2nd. Right now tabbles from different folders are mixed and it’s not useful.
Thank you for quick improvement and your patience 🙂
Best regards
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1882"Maurizio" wrote:
Suppose the files appeared all together, suddenly, and not one by one as they do now. There would be no animation to distract you. Would this solve the problem?I think it’s a good idea. It can solve my concentration problem 🙂
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1880"Maurizio" wrote:
Right. First, a list of tabbles. Then, a list of files.And I can see this list in progress, it does not appear instantly – it takes short time.
Wait. What list can you see in progress? The list of files or the list of tabbles?
On my machine, the list of tabbles appears (almost) instantly, whereas the list of files appears with a delay. Do you confirm?
Yes, I confirm 🙂
"Maurizio" wrote:
Or does the list of tabbles appear with a delay on your machine? This would be a bug.Of course I can click another tabble before list is complete, but it’s a bit uncomfortable 🙂
Do you mean you are uncomfortable clicking a tabble from the list of tabbles before the list of files is complete? But that’s exactly what you are supposed to do… why does this feel uncomfortable to you?
Because I try to catch all list before next click :). I can’t concentrate on tabbles, because I see new and new elements in the list :). It’s more psychologycal problem (and may be it’s my personal problem), but for me it’s uncomfortable to click at the element of unfinished list 🙂
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1878"Maurizio" wrote:
It will be very good for me to have a possibility to combine some tabbles ASAP (without delay caused by file access) and then wait a bit to get filtered list?
I don’t understand… it should already be like that. When you open a tabble, first the combinable tabbles are displayed in the main body, and only then the disk is accessed and the file list is built and displayed. So you can easily double-click and combine a tabble before the files have been displayed.
There is no access to the disk until after the combinable tabbles are displayed.
(The above is only true when you opened an ordinary tabble. It does not hold when you have opened a folder-shortcut, aka folder-tabble).
When I click any tabble i can see list of possible combinations (list of tabbles) and list of files, matched with already selected tabbles in one combined list. Right?
And I can see this list in progress, it does not appear instantly – it takes short time. I thought it was some data transfer (may be for icon generating). I can be wrong, of course.
Of course I can click another tabble before list is complete, but it’s a bit uncomfortable :), I try to catch all list reflexly, even if it’s not necessary :). Of course it’s just my personal (and minor) problem 🙂
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1875"Andrea" wrote: If so, what if we put a button in the tree that allows you to open all the nodes at once, or even better, one level at once? This way you would click once (or twice…) and have all the tabbles visible in the tree. I believe this would improve the situation and solve 50% of the problem. 😮 :geek:
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What we’ve been thinking too is implementing a view mode in the old main window where you can see all the tabbles at once (regardless of their nesting) and get them grouped by color… this is also feasible but rather complex to implement therefore we can’t put in top of our roadmap right now… 😕
If you can do same ‘group open’ feature in the ‘plain’ view (old workspace) it will be great. May be grouped around ‘nest’.
And for me there is no need in special color function, it’s useful if color is an attribute of tabbles group (nest).
One more important thing: I store file library on the NAS and access them by WiFi, so when you try to filter all files after each tabble click is very slow for me. Can you some desync tabble clicking (crating filter, really) and files list processing? It will be very good for me to have a possibility to combine some tabbles ASAP (without delay caused by file access) and then wait a bit to get filtered list?
And please :), add tabbles DB sharing – I use notebook and desktop to access to NAS and it will be awesome to use one tabble base 🙂
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1847"Andrea" wrote: Dude:
2) tree auto-open feature is on the way… wait a few days 🙂
3)
a) use the search
b) the circled tabbles are "combineable"…
c) try and use Tabbles like you use explorer, double click inside the tabbles in the "body" and advance by double-clicking: Tabbles is generating in real-time a tree of tabbles and is only showing you what is combineable (i.e.: tabbles that if combined will output a non-empty group of files).b) + c) are VERY powerful, way more than the previous thing… please give it one more try! 🙂
P.S.: we’re extremely busy right now…I’m working on the manual
Thanks for your answers. I understand you are busy and this reply is my last post for today :).
Auto open feature in tabbles workspace will help.
I used combined tabbles and this idera is good, but all this ‘explorer like’ idea is totally alien for me, because I don’t use explorer at all. I use google desktop search and file manager (really FAR). I don’t think explorer interface is good usability example, really.
Best regards and thanks for patience.
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1844"mkayi" wrote:
But I am trying to get accustomed to the new interface. The workspace is still there, colour groups are still around. Let’s wait and see.NO 🙁 I’ve moved all tabbles in this f**** nests and now workspace is useless: there are only nests. So:
1. I can’t find and correct tabbles – I have to review this f**** tree in left panel
2. I have mixed trash (tabbles, folders, files) in the right halfwindow
3. When I try to find something I have to:
a) open tabbles folder in the tree (instead of pan & zoom in one mouse movement)
b) after one tabble selection I get all further possible tabbles and files (and other nest is still closed) so I’ve to open tabble group
c) repeat ? twice
d) get my single book ___at the end of tabbles list__May be it will be more clear if I’ll name my tabbles groups.
I have really big histrical library. So groups are:
– time period (centuries from XXI bc to XXI, ‘named’ periods: ‘Ancient kingdom’, ‘New kingdom’ etc)
– geographic region
– science (history, biology, archeology etc)
– craftsmanship/technology (military, fortification, weapon, land transport, management, agriculture etc)
– document type (book, map, picture etc) – and IT IS NOT FILE EXTENSION!I used tabbles to solve 2 problems:
– create my personal ‘ontology’ – sets of tabbles, really
– access library through this ontologyAnd now I’ve totally lost 1st task :(((((( – this f***** tree is not usable for me AT ALL. 2nd goal is ok – I still can find files.
I think it’s possible to do 2 small improvements:
1st: separate right panel in two: upper with tabbles only and lower with files and folders, and does’not refresh file list every time I combine tabbles 🙁
2nd: make ‘autoexpand’ feature in workspace view, then I can see nested (and useless) tabbles in groups around ‘nests’ as it was in previous version.Sorry for poor english and high emotions. I feel myself like a kid, after his new toy was broken by elder brother 🙂
Best regards
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1842"Andrea" wrote:
We do indeed believe that this version works better and of course we’re expecting some "resistance to the change".
It would be really nice if you could try using this new version for a few days and get back to us again afterwarda… 🙂
I’ll try, really. But previous interface was so nice 🙁
Best regards
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1840I was very happy, when I’ve found Tabbles, because it looks like a solution for big interconnected library. Tree idea is not just bad for this purpose, it’s totally useless 🙁
Sorry
in reply to: Opinion on 1.4.5 #1839Hi
I think this new interface is a big mistake 🙁
Previous idea with fast zoom in /zoom out above big field with grouped tabbles was MUCH, MUCH better than this ‘foldered tree’. Idea to make innovative software ‘secretary proof’ looks bad for me.
Of course it’s just my opinion.
Best regards,
Alexander Khaytin - AuthorPosts